特里哈特
副总统，政府关系
美国教育委员会

约翰·布莱恩
总裁兼首席执行官
教育

约翰·布莱恩：欢迎来到我们的社区谈话。今天我很高兴与我们在美国教育委员会的政府关系中的高级副总裁，特里哈特。不再需要介绍，因为你在我们的社区中广泛闻名。嗯，这是一个有趣的时间，谈谈立法行动，特里。所以让我们跳进去，让我刚刚问你现在和1月份的预期。让我们最初关注那个时期，然后我们会稍后拓宽它，但是你对最高教育最重要的问题对他们有什么期望？也许是一个很棒的地方是你认为现在和1月之间的Covid-19法案是否存在任何现实的前景。

特里哈特请看例句:所以我们要继续兜圈子，直到我们弄清楚选举到底是如何结束的。至于下一步，国会将重新开会。他们必须做一个“跛脚鸭会议”。人们普遍认为，政府可能会通过一项补充开支法案，以帮助应对显然正在恶化的流行病。国会一直在试图通过大约四个月来的第五项追加开支法案。实际上，他们在选举前并没有走得太近。一个问题是钱，要花多少钱。参议院民主党人想要5000亿美元。众议院民主党人想要2.4万亿美元。白宫愿意增加到1.8万亿或者1.9万亿。 So huge amount of money difference, but there were also some policy differences in there. About how much money to go to state and local governments, about whether pandemic liability protections would be included. So Congress may pass another supplemental spending bill.

o'brien.：似乎，鉴于您绘制的图片，似乎很难依赖包含我们所需的一切以获得高等教育的主要账单。所以你谈到了传球中的一件事，这是责任问题，这重视高校和大学。另一个只是一月或之后通过的法案的金额。你对高校的底线是什么？我知道你曾努力将120亿美元进入要求更高的ed。有人可以想象，从那时起，账单已经收到了更高的，但无论何时它通过，您认为在账单中会有什么？

哈特尔：嗯，这显然近640亿美元的问题。现在，如果您查看参议院账单中出现的数字，如果您查看房屋账单中出现的数字，如果您查看参议员舒默和参议员默里所引入的立法，您将看到高等教育在参议院共和党票据的大约300亿美元之间，大约400亿美元的民主法案，参议员Murray和Schumer引入的立法约为120亿美元。在所有可能性，如果他们今天最终确定它，我们将在30到400亿之间的某个地方。但这只是因为这似乎是数字一直聚类的数字。我们与我们协会同事致力于尝试更好地文件的费用，即大学的大学和大学遇到的费用。它们非常大，比预期的人大得多。我们将汇集一份文件，该文件汇总收入损失的估计数量以及增加的费用。我们将利用它来锚定，重新推动推动高校和大学的金额。

o'brien.：您认为前景是较高的ED重新授权的结果？我们一直在询问几年的旧问题。

哈特尔:那么，高等教育重新授权会发生吗?不，我真的不认为我们会在一段时间内以一种有意义的方式谈论高等教育重新授权。拜登副总统在竞选期间提出了人力资本投资的全面议程。特别是在高等教育方面，拜登政府在考虑立法议程时，有四个领域对高等教育特别感兴趣。首先，他们承诺大幅增加对历史上的黑人学院和大学的资助。他们还提议对法律和政策进行其他修改，以进一步帮助这些机构。只要国会同意，提供更多资金相对容易。国会可以直接拨出更多的资金。它是通过现有的渠道传播的。这并不难。 The second thing that the Biden administration will probably do is move to double Pell Grant funding. One of their pledges during the campaign was to double the amount of money spent on the Pell Grant program. This would have an enormous benefit on low and lower middle income families right away. Remember, 90% of Pell Grant funding goes to students from families with incomes less than $40,000. So I think that they will move in that direction pretty aggressively. Again, no legislation to create a program is required. This simply requires more money. The other things that the Biden has talked about doing, other major things, are slightly more complicated. First they've talked about widespread student loan forgiveness. The progressive wing of the Democratic party in particular wants to see substantial reductions in outstanding debt for every borrower who owes money. The minimum price that the progressive Democrats have put on this is roughly $10,000 for everyone who holds a student loan. It's not clear if the administration has legal authority to do that without getting approval from Congress. Fourth thing the Biden administration has talked about is some form of free community college or free public higher education. Initially Vice President Biden was calling for free community college. As a result of negotiations with Democratic progressives in putting the platform together, they've called for free public higher education for people from families with incomes below $125,000. That clearly requires a lot of money. That clearly requires new legislative authority. And it will be politically very controversial because there are a lot of private colleges and universities, particularly in demographically challenged regions of the country. Think New England, upstate New York, the rust belt, great plains, the upper plains, who see some sort of a free public higher education strategy as something that quite simply could bankrupt them. Four year public colleges will be unhappy if any such program is confined to two-year public community colleges. So this particular idea strikes me as the hardest one to put in place because A, it's expensive. And B, it's going to be very politically controversial.

o'brien.：所以谢谢特里，为了你的洞察力，照明。和你说话太棒了。

哈特尔:谢谢你,约翰。只要你需要，我随时都有空。